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Ogre's avatar

"In Juche, the greatest threat to the revolution is not capitalism—it is relaxation, the return to comfort, pluralism, liberalism, and the egoism of pre-revolutionary consciousness. Thus, ideological discipline is the daily weapon of revolution. Every citizen is not only a worker, farmer, or soldier, but also an ideological warrior, constantly struggling against apathy, doubt, and external contamination."

If NK could afford psychologists, everybody would be diagnosed with anxiety, stress and depression and burnout. Relaxation IS LIFE, it is mental health, this destroys it. Work, toil generally sucks, and the good life is sipping cocktails on a beach. How do such people even have sex? Sex requires relaxation, this is why massage is sexy.

What I have heard is that NK people do not take this seriously and do what all people under Leninist-derived socialism do: minimal work for the state, much gray market kind of business dealing.

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5dEdited

It is incredible that you talk about NK in a purely theoretical way and not addressing the reality: they are starving, they can't finish that tower, they are putting people into torture camps, there are people running away despite the brutal punishments and so on.

It is like someone talking about Nazism - not very different an ideology, I think - and not talk about the Holocaust, 70M died in war, etc.

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murica's avatar

Proof ANYTHING, like that is happening from sources other then CIA linked western media propaganda ?

Every single thing in western media is at all times the exact opposite of the truth.

And lol.... the holocaust? You believe in the fucking holocaust ? Then you are a tard to begin with, incapable of critical thinking.

Hypothetical, would western governments have a reason to lie about other countries? For example Iraq having nuclear weapons/WMD ?

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I don't think Western governments control the Western media. But at any rate, then there is no one to believe, then there is not any trustworthy source whatsoever, since DPRK propaganda is also not trustworthy. In that case, how to even think if there are not any trustworthy input?

Iraq WMD was a government lie, not entirely supported by the media, with the result that a lot of people stayed skeptical. Huge demonstrations "no war for oil" etc.

The Holocaust simply checks out by numbers. You can add up the large pre-Nazi Jewish communities of Prague to Lvyv, you can check how many fled to the US, UK or Israel, and you will find there are millions missing.

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murica's avatar

Additionally, prove to me, that none of those missing jews you pointed out, died During the war, from bombing, starvation, getting caught in the crossfire of combat, or by joining resistance movements and dying in combat ? If you cant prove that zero missing jews died in ways other then concentration camps, then you likewise cannot disprove that all missing jews died from circumstances other then death camps.

Of those missing jews, how many have had their bodies identified for sure as victims at auschwitz and bergen-belson and the other camps and how many of them disappeared and nobody has ever located their bodies ?

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murica's avatar

The cia controls journalists. They entire programs for training them. Things like operation mockingbird have been admitted to and portions of it declassified.

The exact same way that social media WAS operating as an arm of the federal government, per congressional testimony of executives at facebook, dorsey era twitter and reddit.

https://share.google/4IqELrNaTOqby92JA

https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/the-cia-and-journalists

https://www.carlbernstein.com/the-cia-and-the-media-rolling-stone-10-20-1977

Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia https://share.google/ZVUHQbFREe2JdSv6U

sites-default-files-hearings-ciasuseofjournal00unit.pdf https://share.google/EqWlRYrQDZRAZVNY7

Western governments do not OWN the media as in "authoritarian regimes", however they control what's reported and how through interpersonal relationships between agents and journos.

As far as the holocaust you're woefully uneducated about it.

For example the new York times, reported as factual news, as in the truth.

That Auschwitz had teams of animals. Including a trained bear and eagle that operated as a team and hunted down jews.

That comes from an eyewitness.

Other claims include a machine, operated by sexy German women wearing leather outfits that masturbated jews to death. Also from an eyewitness.

Another claimed that auschwitz had a massive rollercoaster.... that killed people

Time 'Too Painful' to Remember - The New York Times https://share.google/OUkmhnODtU1Kze0eO

These claims were reported by the fucking new york times.

And the idea that there holocaust is settled history is preposterous. There are ZERO nazi records on it. Our knowledge of the holocaust comes from eyewitnesses. Many of whom have been repeatedly proven liars. One of the most famous "survivors" who wrote dozens of books on it, was born and raised in the United States, and had literally never been to Europe

Another, Mischa Defonseca. She got rich writing about the holocaust. She claimed to have escaped Auschwitz with the help of animals, and to have been raised by a pack of nazi hunting wolves in the forests of Poland

At the basic level, the holocaust is treated one way " evil nazis use gas chambers to kill 6 million", this is a story for mass consumption, ignored at the level of professional historians.

Do you know what intentionalism vs functionalism is ? This is seperate from holocaust denial/holocaust revisionism, which are considered "pseudo-history" by mainstream historians. However that has nothing to do with what im talking about. Intentionalism vs functionalism is a debate between actual, real, university level historians about whether the mass death event known as the holocaust, which all accept as real, happened on purpose, or as a condition of the war.

Intentionalists believed the nazis set out to purposefully kill millions of jews.

Fundtionalists believe there was no plan (and there is no proof of one, the nazis kept zero records) and that rather then death camps, concentration camps were for internment, to prevent jews communists and others from joining the resistance while the war is going. Allied bombardment destroyed supply lines, and the Germans, who didn't have enough food to feed themselves either, were unable to feed the jews or provide them with medicine and a combination of disease and starvation is the cause for mass deaths in the concentration camps

Try to use oceans razor and what sounds more realistic. Nazis who from 1932 until 1941 were operating something called the havaara agree, they allowed jews to leave for Palestine and take all their money with them. As part of this they maintained an informal alliance with a Jewish radical group known as the lehi movement of stern gang.... the lehi movement were jews in Palestine mostly of German origin, who claimed to be "nazi jews", the lehi movement begged the nazis to declare them the official Jewish nazi party and to allow them to join the axis. So these nazis who spent 10 years cooperating with Jewish groups allowing them to leave Europe with all their money, and a particular system where by European jews would sign over all their property, assets, stocks bonds gold artwork or businesses, and the nazis would transfer through western union style money transfer, am equivalent amount of money to the government of the mandate of Palestine that would then give that money to the jew in question upon arrival. So nazis who went through so much trouble to help jews leave for Palestine all of a sudden decided to be evil and kill everyone, or is it more realistic to say they put them in camps to isolate them until the end of the war, and as the allies bombed supply lines and railroads the Germans couldn't feed them or deliver medicine to the camps ?

Use occams razor and thibk about which sounds more realistic and which sounds like atrocity porn to justify the creation of Israel?

Functionalism–intentionalism debate - Wikipedia https://share.google/ljUwRK2tbtAHjLsn8

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ElijahJefferson's avatar

That's good information, it's odd how Otto Skorzenzy a member of the SS, joined Mossad later on. When you mentioned the Lehi movement I thought of him.

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Singh 47's avatar

>celebration of labour heroes.

Dalit state with low tfr from feminism.

Sure it beats judeo-capitalist S Korea

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ElijahJefferson's avatar

This is very interesting, Juche as a movement certainly seems revolutionary and successful for that matter. The only thing is that most Americans unfortunately dislike Socialism/Communism. There are more people becoming NatSoc's and I think an alliance with NatSoc's is necessary and perhaps organizations like Patriot Front.

Most people are not a fan of the Bolsheviks, or Juche. However with time, perhaps they will see it as a revolutionary potential especially in an American context (and even North American, including parts of Western Canada). Good article, I must say that while I do not agree completely with Lenin, I do respect his Vanguard and revolutionary spirit, same with Stalin. I think Paetel and Nieksch were onto something with National Bolshevism. I also wanted to add that having faith is an important aspect, something which you went over in the article. I think having a non-judaic faith, perhaps something akin to the Oera Linda Book would be good. The Oera Linda Book is considered fraudulent by modern "academia" though there are other historians like Alwyn Raubenheimer who considered it legitimate. Asha logos did a good series on it (https://old.bitchute.com/video/14Ty8CMXbhaE/). In essence it is similar to Deism (like what Thomas Paine espoused in his book The Age of Reason). The Book talks about the All-Father Wralda (eternal one) that the ancient Frisians/Germanics worshipped. They had a communal society that was anti-usury, anti-racemixing, anti-homosexuality. It's interesting and I mention it as Faith is connected with folk and while Christianity has had some benefits, characters like Cromwell and Charlemagne did a number on European Pagans. However Most people are still Christian, but perhaps at the very least there needs to be a Positive Christianity that isnt as Zionistic and Universalistic.

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